Факты об образовании Боба Лазара против вымысла (на основе новых подлинных документов) и почему мы должны отдавать предпочтение первоисточникам при расследовании чьего-либо происхождения и образования

Hang on a second…the 1980 yearbook is the only UCLA yearbook that has ever been removed to date? That’s pretty sus.

Not a rare situation in this field. There’s another guy posing as a ‘NASA whistleblower’ who goes around calling himself a «PhD» based on a gag certificate with the name of a non-existent ‘seminary’ that he bought from a PO Box in Denver that used to advertise in ‘Mother Jones’. Parades around in a flight suit with military aviator wings on it, despite having flunked out of flight school. Sigh.

The problem with Bob Lazar and his story is that is has culminated into literally nothing. Nothing has happened. We got a new folkfore tale if you count that as something. It’s been over 30 years since he told the story. Another 30 years isn’t going to change anything.

How many here knew Bob was adapted? Stanton was the one who figured that out. Stanton did his due diligence and that man was a real physicist and a well known data hound. Stanton left room saying Bob could have worked there but everything else was deception especially with his education. That and when he personally interviewed Bob, Stanton said he could not answer basic physics questions. He could not even understand basic formulas. Stanton was convinced Bob was using deception and omitting things on purpose. Stanton is one of my personal heros in this subject. He brought credibility. I have a hard time believing Bob if Stanton didn’t. Just my take.

I’m going to just start copying and pasting one of my previous replies every time I see Lazar’s education mentioned.

The education that he claims is and was a demonstrable lie. The belief that his background was simply erased is beyond ridiculous.

Anyone who has attended a well known graduate program would know that you form a bond with other students and professors. I still talk to old professors a decade later, I can even name our librarian. Lazar couldn’t name a single other student or actual Professor that would validate his attendance.

It becomes even more outlandish that one of the degrees he claims is a graduate degree from MIT which matriculates less than 50 students a year now, even less at the time he claimed he graduated. His classes would have consisted of less than 10 people. Are you arguing that if you spent almost every day with 9 other people for at least a year you wouldn’t know their names or expect them to know yours?

In addition to the lack of collaboration from a single person, there is zero physical evidence he ever attended. I went to undergrad before social media was prevalent and can’t tell you how many pictures and articles there were that featured my name as a very average student. There were literal “facebooks”, physical books with our pictures, in the honors dorm I stayed in freshman year.

In graduate programs at schools like MIT, it is not like undergrad at a large public university. You participate in extracurriculars, research, or have degree related internships. He has not named, nor been acknowledged by, anybody participating in any of these activities.

As an anecdote, my little brother went to Embry-Riddle, during his graduation he introduced me to an undergrad student specializing in the study of something related to gravity, he was one out of three students in the program and an absolute star, already being a co-author of multiple papers. If you are a prodigy in a science, you will be published and at the time Lazar claims to have been in school these would have been physical prints. This student is a undergrad, by the time you are participating in a hard science graduate program of any significance you are publishing. You would also be well known, by the point of entering the graduate program, by others in your field at the school.

If you look hard enough you can find hypothetical scenarios where somehow bobs story makes sense; this is true for all kinds of things.

The problem with this is Bob himself has never mentioned UCLA.

Even if this was true it still doesn’t explain how he managed to get advanced degrees from cal tech and MIT and cannot produce any evidence to back it up. Not a degree, a paper, a roommate, a girlfriend, a professor, a lease agreement, a phone bill, a class schedule and the list goes on and on.

I wanted to believe Bob I even bought his book. I foolishly thought “here is his chance to sort all of this out in his own words in a medium he has complete control of”. Problem is in the entire book he devoted less than a paragraph to his entire time at cal tech and MIT; while still doubling down on his claim that he received advanced degrees from both.

In his book even the small of amount of information he does give makes zero sense. He claims he got both of those degrees during his time at los alamos. A quick geography lesson would tell you that’s a long was from cal tech and even farther from MIT. This was in the early 80’s; zoom did not exist and neither one of those institutions offer correspondence programs. Bob never says how the logistics took place (he literally just says he got the degrees during this time period) but I think jet setting around the country multiple times a week (the only way this would be possible; even then highly unlikely) would make for some pretty good dialogue in his book; at least more than a paragraph.

Bottom line his own explanation is “trust me bro”. This is only the tip of the iceberg with him. Do yourself a favor and and write him off for what he is; a con man and not even a good one.

As someone’s with an advanced degree… you can’t be unknown in your program. Someone would remember you. A professor, or a student, or the records department. You’d also remember a teacher who taught you there. This is how we know bob is a fraud. Need look no further. Also everyone says he’s so smart. He does not appear to be as smart as others in similar fields. He knows nothing of the technicals. Would love to hear him talk to a scientist, but he never will because it would take them 10 seconds to discover him to be a fraud.

I remember this rabbit hole. What can be verified is that he was a tech at los alamos in the meson physics lab. His coworkers confirmed this, as does the employee telephone book, which shows his name, department, and building number.

What can only be speculated on is whether or not he went to the actual groom lake facility, or any number of isolated labs within the boundaries of the NTTR. Did los alamos employees and contractors routinely visist facilities in the NTTR? Yes. Was lazar among those few who actually did? Maybe. Did lazar hear stories about the NTTR facilities around the meson physics lab watercooler? Maybe. Were those stories true, or were they just messing with him considering lazar’s reputation was the «prankster» at the lab? Maybe. Is the reason none of his former employees have spoken out about lazar a form of self preservation because they violated their security agreements and NDAs by telling lazar about the NTTR activities? Maybe.

If this was able to be easily confirmed, it would have been.

Why are we still debating this?

I just wanna hear what Rogan keeps alluding to his guests about the explanation for the lack of records for Lazar. I am sure one day it’ll come out, but Rogan has mentioned it in a lot of his episodes (no idea the percentage, because I don’t listen to all of his shows).

Really hoping to have Lazar’s story verified to be true or false sometime in the next few years, so we can end this debate about it.

If it’s false, I can imagine life for him to be a living nightmare. But if it turns out to be true… wow

Can someone explain to me how he could have been hired at Los Alamos without the relevant education? It was proven that he worked there, that he knew and was known by his colleagues, and knew the layout for the facility. People have corroborated his employment there, and I believe Knapp found evidence as well. Could he have lied on his resume? Maybe, but doesn’t a national lab have pretty thorough vetting processes? Doesnt it require some level of government clearance?

Also, does anyone else think it’s entirely possible that someone working at a cutting-edge government facility would be able to maybe take correspondence courses from CalTech or MIT as part of a government program?

Part of me is not convinced lazars not a govt plant. Set to precipitate disclosure with dis and misinfo designed to quantitatively ease us into a more public understanding of the subject.

I wonder if Lazar is an MK Ultra victim.

I’m not sure one way or another, he looks sincere, but people lie all the time for the stupidest reasons. What intrigues me is that he described the “flying saucers “ exactly as what I have personally seen flying once during the daytime. Weather he just heard it from somewhere else or actually saw them is hard to say. That’s what is tricky about eyewitness testimony. I know it sucks when you do try and tell people what you saw and they straight up think you’re lying or crazy. It makes you feel alone and misunderstood. But what can you do except give up and hope that others one day see for themselves.

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I’ve read every one of the comments here and ironically you’re all missing the point. Bob Lazar’s education is moot. The real point is, no one (in the public domain) knows what the absolute truth about the existence ET life and whether it’s here on earth. Which leads to the question, will we ever know what the true answer is? My guess is NO. There will be no capitulation. Why? Because governments cannot release any definitive evidence due to the uncontrollable public fallout. Ultimately classified secrets are classified for a reason.

There’s really only two ways to think of Bob’s education. He either lied about it because he’s embarrassed by the degree mill or what have you and it isn’t “prestigious” enough or he fucked up a lot but is telling the truth about everything else, or he’s lying about everything, education included. I choose to believe he’s lying about all of it.

Why do people give so much time to someone who Stan Friedman proved decades ago was a liar, fraud or some kind of counter-intel op.. either way anything about him is a waste of time and distraction from worth research.

Informative post. Thanks. The most interesting thing for me is UCLA yearbook being made unavailable.

Why do we act like this guy isn’t alive when he has the ability and every opportunity to lay out every excruciating detail of his life without mincing his words?

If Lazar isn’t lying, then he can be straight without worrying about conflicting his own story. Unfortunately he can’t seem to remember anything about the 70s very well at all.

There are so many more credible people out there and the community seems to continue to claw on to this dude like he is the second coming of Christ or something.