Вот ответ Министерства обороны на запрос Закона о свободе информации, поданный 11 февраля 2023 г., в котором запрашиваются некоторые данные, предположительно собранные во время сбития объекта на Аляске 10 февраля 2023 г.
[FOIA response](https://preview.redd.it/tny3mip9sq7b1.png?width=5100&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=b597c9e27f03724472f0fa8658e12e5ec2486ba4) >Это ответ на ваш запрос Закона о свободе информации (FOIA) # \[ \] запрашивая «все доступные визуальные данные (фотографии в видимом и инфракрасном спектре, фильмы в видимом и инфракрасном спектре, рисунки и всю соответствующую визуальную информацию) и данные отслеживания (радарные данные, данные сонара, данные таймера), которые предположительно были собраны около объект, который был сбит в 13:45 по восточному поясному времени 10 февраля 2022 года над Аляской». > > Мы предоставляем ответ об отсутствии записей в соответствии с вашим запросом. После продолжительного и исчерпывающего поиска в нескольких офисах на базе ВВС Эльмендорф было решено, что этот запрос следует отправить в Управление по разрешению аномалий во всех областях (AARO), которое находится в ведении Разведывательного управления Министерства обороны. Вы можете отправить запрос в их офис через контакты ниже. Интересно отметить, что, по-видимому, «**нет записей**» в [Elmendorf Air Force Base](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elmendorf_Air_Force_Base) об этом случае, что сложно понять из-за миссии по восстановлению, которая должна была потребовать средств этой базы. Что еще более интересно, этот запрос FOIA перенаправляется в «**Отдел по разрешению аномалий во всех областях (AARO), который находится в ведении Разведывательного управления Министерства обороны**», несмотря на то, что официальные лица говорят о «вероятных обычных объектах». Является ли «воздушный шар» «аномалией»? Ссылка на ответ на изображения FOIA: [https://imgur.com/a/NcuvJ8Y](https://imgur.com/a/NcuvJ8Y) ВАЖНОЕ ПРИМЕЧАНИЕ: несмотря на ошибку в дате (2022 вместо 2023) в первоначальном запросе, ** было подтверждено по почте лицом, которое управляло этим запросом по Закону о свободе информации, что расследование проводилось за 2023 год.**
[Confirmation of investigation conducted for year 2023](https://preview.redd.it/dbzyoxyeks7b1.png?width=1720&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=23aa3e613f3635d6d58818247fad1c39bb42fb2b) Ссылка на почтовый обмен о 2023 году, подтвержденном расследованием: [https://imgur.com/pkPPkC5](https://imgur.com/pkPPkC5)
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Great work OP. If it’s a research balloon why are questions being directed to AARO?
Kirkpatrick stated in his hearing that AARO considers balloons and the vehicles of foreign adversaries to be SEP «Somebody else’s problem». Why is a «balloon» AAROs problem?
[In case anyone is interested in making a FOIA request](https://www.foia.gov/faq.html)
[Who can make a FOIA request?](https://youtu.be/v6ln1sgb1r4)
Note: You don’t need to be a United States citizen
redirection to AARO…
My God. I am surprised there have been bombshell revelations daily recently, but today there seem to be several. It was almost hourly today. Criminal investigations being the reason for FOIA denials into UAP was just insane.
And this! You ask about what the media and everyone roundly believe to be a hobby balloon being shot down, and get redirected to the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office for more information. *So for information about something we want you to believe was completely ordinary, contact the UFO office… !!*
If it was a hobby balloon, why not just say so? Why not reveal something that proves it? How hard can it be?
Why is everything related to this dark, including a few minutes of civilian film posted online that show nothing more than a few planes and a helicopter flying around?
Things that make you go Hhhmmm.
Submission statement:
Here is a response from the Department of Defense about a FOIA request submitted Feb. 11, 2023, requesting several data presumably collected during the Alaska object shot-down in Feb. 10, 2023.
It’s interesting to note that this request is redirected to AARO.
They send you to AARO just be denied due to the ongoing investigation TROLOL
Where there’s smoke…
«After a lengthy and exhaustive search through multiple offices»
Maybe I am reading this in the wrong way, but to me, this means they tried looking and nothing was there.
The Air Force should have, at the very least, some basic information relating to this by law. Even if it was classified, would they not say so?
Is it just me, or does that seem like a big deal.
That NORAD General VanHerck clearly described the objects as “UAPs” in his report. Yeah, $ 200 million fighter planes have no cameras /s
My half baked theory on these «balloon» takedowns is perhaps they were NHI reproduction vehicles, made by some hidden contractor. Nothing on the order of a fully functional tic tac, but perhaps some new «metamaterials», or these lighter than air composites; or some other bleeding edge tech which is being studied in secret due to the origins and held from congress.
In my theory, one of these people working on some SAP, with whistleblower protection went and told the IG or Congress; «We are working on these types of things, here are the areas where we test them, here are the people you want to talk to.»
Government goes to, say Raytheon and is like; «Yeah so we know you have antigravity or whatever and it’s operational. We’d like to see it and understand how you exact-» They get the door slammed in their face. Now it’s like «well we did try to ask politely. Initiate plan B, take em down and look for ourselves.»
Not impossible, that someone came forward with enough info and that the private contractors would deny by default. The government might take that personal enough to run an op on them to steal that tech which can’t seem to get through legal means.
“it has been determined that this request should be sent to the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO)“
As if that would accomplish anything 🙄
Aren’t they pretty much admitting the three objects they shot down after the chinese balloon were UAP? This is big news, unless I’m misunderstanding?
And AARO is a cut out/cover for whatever SAP/unit that has actual dominion over these issues/facts. Very cute move by the clandestine SAP units.
If I understand correctly certain records are FOIA exempt. This was actually addressed by one of the navy fighter pilots who witnessed the Nimitz UFO in 2004 that leaked 13 years later before the govt admitted it was legit 16 years later. See commander Fravor here from minutes 21-24 https://youtu.be/Eco2s3-0zsQ
«No, it’s a hobbyist balloon. He’s just confused» — skeptics.
There could still be people on the inside that believe in the people.
Proves it.
Any grounded reasons why they would deflect to AARO before getting to the exciting theories?
That description of the object seems similar to this photo:
[https://imgur.com/gallery/NM9vu9O](https://imgur.com/gallery/NM9vu9O)
This was posted somewhere back in February or March…think I saw it on the /x/ board of 4chan and the accompanying comment claimed it’s an image of the object that was shot down in Alaska.
I’ve never seen this image since. Anyone know what this is? I’m fully expecting it to be something super mundane rather than a potential UAP. Probably a screencap from a movie or some crap, for all I know >_>
Edit: I was able to find a higher resolution version of it, appears to have been upscaled using AI and drawn on in order to add detail…I think. I’m not even sure at this point.
[https://imgur.com/gallery/Mfwh4Ap](https://imgur.com/gallery/Mfwh4Ap)
Can US citizens sue for lack of information? To also start a criminal case? Go ahead, friends! Fill up these agencies with your claims!
Organize crowdfunding to hire the best lawyers.
Yeah, this seems pretty big. I mean, that guy who worked in Alaska and posted those videos of all the military aircraft going in and out of the supossed wreckage area were 100% coming out of Elmendorf, you could see them taking off. The records of any info would have started with them. Therefore, if it was a balloon, they would have known before AARO got involved, which I would say confirms it’s not a balloon, right?
I could be wrong but being how the OP had asked for visual information and tracking data could we try another FOIA request specifically asking for information about recovery or the actions the airplanes took or something addressing the maneuvers undertaken by the base at that specific time? I mean it can’t hurt to ask again and if the same response was given about contacting AARO we can conclude that any requests about that occurrence by default is going to be redirected to AARO.
OP do us a favor and forward this response to your congressman, your senators, and especially Gillibrand, Burchett, and Gaetz. I know this sub doesn’t like those last two (and frankly neither do I) but they’re vocal about this issue and I’m sure their offices would be interested in seeing this response.
Lmfao roswell 2.0 and nobody even noticed.
«Go talk to AARO so we can deny them as well. Lol.»
FOIA: Freedom of the Government to tell you they aren’t giving you that information.
This is massive! We’re ANY photos of this thing released to the public? I know one was of one balloon..
Yea.. so ok, it was a car lot balloon.. we think a gorilla or something. Oh.. if you need more info, you need to talk to the department that studies anomalous air activity.
Here is some legitimate ground truth.
1. 8/10 offices in the DoD do not even have a FOIA representative identified & of the 2 that do, it is a collateral duty they barely know anything about. They were assigned the responsibility & keep their fingers crossed they never have to do anything related to FOIA.
2. The DoD doesn’t have nearly the amount of personnel required to do many of its core missions, let alone care about FOIA requests. There’s nothing as we say “holding their feet to the fire” or “forcing mechanism” to make them care.
They will do whatever they can to find the wiggle room to make it someone or some other organization’s problem. So if you do not word the question/request exactly to perfection then you give them room to get it off their plate and on to someone else’s. It’s not so much an issue of DOD military or civilians wanting to or being a part of cover up. It’s them not wanting it to be their problem or brought into such a sticky topic.
3. Believe it or not, with all the classified measures for documentation in the federal government. There is almost no known way to handle or what the parameters are for classified imagery. Military photographers aren’t even supposed to be involved in the capture of classified images. Almost all of the DOD photos & videos are at the unclassified level. This means nobody knows how to store classified images or how to even take them. It’s almost by design. Ask any military contact you know to explain classified images and then watch their reactions. 9/10 public affairs photographers don’t even have a clearance & do not work in a classified space.
3. Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson has one of the most complicated command relationships for who owns what and who is responsible/in charge of the operations, missions and equipment. It all falls between two combatant commands — the geographical breakdown of responsibilities. Both NORAD/Northern Command and INDOPACOM have say over different aspects, personnel and equipment at the base.
So if you sent the request to JBER Installation, it truly is handled by the 673rd ABW an IDOPACOM asset. They will answer the request for only their responsibility, they won’t answer for NORAD Northern Command assets. That’s one easy way to make it not their problem. The military is an organization of wordsmiths and they use it any chance they can.
4. Most DoD civilians and positions are miserable, nobody stays in one place for too long. Skills knowledge and experience leave out the door daily leaving untrained, unskilled substitutes trying their best to do what they can just to get by each day. Most offices aren’t overflowing with an abundant supply of people to care or even want to address a FOIA request. That’s called find someone else to flip the booger on.
There that is why/what/how the request was handled.
It’s all I can say is 9/10 times it’s not interesting, it’s embarrassing and the public would be more concerned about what the government is really only capable of & not that it’s all super secret/cover up
You know, I was really losing hope and almost convinced that all this noise would amount to nothing but more prolongations, delays and dead-end leads, but with the way things are turning out, I believe this may truly be leading up to ‘UAP-gate’. Next step: is the AARO legit, or are they shills planted to distract and reassure while not being shown the complete truth themselves? Are they deliberately being misled, are they in on it, what the genuine fuck is going on anymore? Man.
Unless it really *was* a balloon and AARO are just focusing on collecting data on all the shite? So they can tell *us* it’s all shite in their little annual pantomime to Senate? Garbage in, garbage out.
No surprises there. The shootdown and whatever was recovered is classified at the highest levels.
Weird. None of the maintainers I know up there said shit about this.
Wasn’t there a guy filming all of the planes and helicopters moving in and out of the area to where the object was shot-down.
Why would AARO be responsible for a supposedly a balloon? Why no release of the data for just a balloon but could release Chinese jets stalking our planes or Russian jets releasing fuel on our drones days later?
This is actually big. OP you might want to contact Leslie Kean about this.
This is the most substantial thing this sub has produced in weeks. It would be a shame if it just got burried (kinda already is).
Does them saying they looked at 2/10/2022 mean anything? Hopefully that’s just a typo but I have to wonder if they weren’t looking at the right date at all.
The DOE can shelve anything based on the DAA- the DIA directs the domestic intel community and warehouses SIGINT and HUMINT .
The patriot act and to a much greater extent, the espionage acts, shield the government bodies from recourse of the law, almost entirely in regards to state secrets.
The response is UFO without actually saying UFO.
No surprise they stonewalled you, considering you were asking for data from 2/10/2022
This is a big nothing burger, don’t read into it. If a UAP was shot down, most likely any tracking data and visual records would receive the highest classification labels. Just because someone submits a FOIA request does NOT mean they have to release it to the public. TS-SCI, etc, would NOT be released, nor accessible to a base Public Affairs Officer performing due-diligence to satisfy the request. The PAO would most certainly hit a dead end internally at each turn. If the requstor’s language contained terms such as «UAP», flicking the booger to AARO makes sense and not necessarily an admittal.
Because extra agency teams are called in and given control because NO ONE on base has the right clearance for this. Thats why there are no records. What ever they may have generated went to the next agency.