Что вы все думаете об этом? Кроули был гуру Джека Парсонса (одного из основателей НАСА)

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Что вы все думаете об этом? Кроули был гуру Джека Парсонса (одного из основателей НАСА),


Что вы все думаете об этом? Кроули был гуру Джека Парсонса (одного из основателей НАСА), Что вы все думаете об этом? Кроули был гуру Джека Парсонса (одного из основателей НАСА)

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  1. I’m not a Crowley expert or anything but I have read a fair bit on and by him and I haven’t seen any proof yet that Lam = Aiwass, two different entities afaik. There are also people who say that Lam is a self-portrait, that Crowley was playing a prank (which he did do frequently).

    I think you’re on the right track though. Not sure exactly what I believe the connection is but it’s very clear that there was a lot of continuity from 19th/early 20th century occult movements like Theosophy and Thelema to ufology as a culture and the UFO myth. Adamski, Vallee, Keel, Barker, Strieber, Steiger, Greer, Levenda, Greenfield and many other prominent ufologists, contactees, abductees etc. have explicit connections to occult figures and organizations, a known interest in the occult, or are people who you can tell are at least reading into the subject if you know a little bit about it yourself. There are also mythological overlaps between the occult and the UFO myth (btw when I say myth I don’t mean that nothing is happening, in either case, UFO encounters or magic). The world egg of Orphism, the war engines of Crowley’s Book of the Law (which has been explicitly identified with UFOs by some Thelemites).

    The Parsons angle is also very interesting. Crowley had been used as an intelligence asset in both world wars and by the 1940s Thelema was taking off with a certain sector of the American elite arts scene via the Agape Lodge crowd. The rocketry connection is obviously very relevant, especially because of the ‘ghost rockets’ allegedly seen in 1946 imo. Also even more conventional UFO stories from the early postwar period feature rockets a lot more frequently than modern ones do. Also interesting to note that the history of intelligence operations and occult orders overlapping is very very long, goes back to John Dee at least, and it’s interesting to note that a committed member of a serious occult order would be using a lot of skills that would make him a desirable recruit for an intelligence agency. Occult orders are strictly hierarchical, you know more than the guy below you and less than the guy above you, they have strict oaths of secrecy, they develop ways of communicating with each other that even an outsider in the presence of that communication might not be able to pick up, they probably don’t make a big show of their occult practices in public or they conceal them entirely, leading a double life. So theoretically occultists are perfect recruits and you would expect heavy overlap between occult orders and intelligence agencies. There’s a lot of circumstantial, and sometimes direct, evidence that this is exactly what has happened with American intelligence throughout the Cold War and after. In that context it’s pretty telling I think that the earliest ufological organizations were set up by current or ‘former’ military and intelligence people and that Vallee (who has intelligence connections himself) says in Messengers of Deception that all major ufological organizations are heavily penetrated by spies.

    Tldr — I think when you put enough dots together, there’s really clear evidence that modern UFO mythology itself has largely been created by both occultists and the military-industrial-intelligence complex. In order to serve what ends? That’s a different discussion but the really important thing is to get beyond level 1 thinking about this topic. Questions like ‘are UFOs real?’, ‘will disclosure happen?’ and ‘are we being visited by extraterrestrials?’ are the wrong ones. We should be asking, and trying to figure out through research, which actors played which role in crafting the overall UFO narrative and what purpose(s) it serves.

  2. I honestly think CE5 is what they called «summoning» in the past. I don’t think it means they’re always summoning evil or demonic shit like some might see it today. I think they’re entities. Some might be closer to demonic than others though. Interestingly enough too, many believe those big black eyes to be goggles and that they look more like the right.

    I think what we consider aliens today we considered spirits before, just like that quote. As Lue Elizondo said, there’s an invisible world of life all around us that we can’t sense. I think the spirit realm and spirits are exactly what we’re experiencing today still, just different names for the same phenomenon.

  3. I believe Angels and Demons and Aliens and even the ancient gods were all the same beings, where they come from is up to debate. They might be from another planet, another dimension or even another time in the future or maybe even from a forgotten past.

  4. Parsons was not a founder of nasa. He was a “founder” of a group that would later morph into the Jet Propulsion Lab at the University of California. He was also an idiot who managed to be the first person ever scammed out of their life savings (and wife) by L Ron Hubbard. And in the end he blew up himself and half of his neighborhood making explosives in a clandestine lab out of his backyard.

  5. When I first saw that picture of Lam in the 90s, I thought it looked like a grey alien, but doesn’t look much like one to me anymore.

    Unless Crowley was hiding the eyes in forehead bumps, which for some reason is what everyone seems to naturally assume, they don’t look much alike.

    What I see as I look at Lam is many faces. There’s the large face that takes up the entire head, but then there’s a second face below the eyes (another pair of lighter shaded eyes on the cheeks), and then there are two more faces around his mouth by his chin. He could have been trying to represent a face that kept shifting appearance.

    Lam is not Aiwass, btw. I wonder where that idea that they are the same comes from. Here you can read about Lam: https://www.vice.com/en/article/mvpvyn/magickal-stories-lam

    I also read that Crowley didn’t have much to do with Parsons or the Agape Lodge in California. He didn’t seem to be happy with its leadership and he wasn’t around to sort it out to his liking. There is also this quote from a letter he wrote to Karl Germer about Jack Parsons and L. Ron Hubbard’s «Babalon Working»:

    > «Apparently he, or Hubbard, or somebody, is producing a Moonchild. I get fairly frantic when I contemplate the idiocy of these louts.”

    But, it is this Babalon Working that people believe opened a portal to let more of these Lam type of creatures into our world. And certainly grey sightings became a big thing after that.

  6. Seems a little.. subjective. It’s weird that they’ve just chosen demons to be the right answer without considering that maybe Crowley is wrong or maybe he channeled something other than his autistic special interest or maybe whoever called them demons to begin with was wrong. It’s just pseudo Christian witch hunting.

  7. Little known fact… Crowley was actually gonna draw the big almond eyes ( you could see where he did) but for whatever reason ( I can’t remember why) he went with the more human looking eyes …

  8. Crowley wasn’t his guru. It was most definitely at least 1/2 and 1/2, and he and Parsons fed off each other/exchanged ideas. Parsons had claimed to have been into magic and satanism since he was a child, and claimed to summon a demon when he was 9years old. L Ron Hubbard was also part of that group, and stole most of his ideas from Jack Parsons, as well as his gf and his life savings.

  9. Crowley was a performer, an artist, he didn’t channeled demons or anything, he was more of a very eccentric man and kind of an asshole. There’s a great series on him in the Last Podcast on the Left podcast.

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